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You stated: “2. Amillennialism seems to have inherit within it some idea that the elect will always be few in number, comparatively speaking, to the number of nonelect at any given time. Where do you find this in Scripture? Put another way: you have a hard time seeing that the Bible teaches a gradual increase in the percentage of elect as we get closer to the endokwhere does the Bible say that the percentage decreases or at least stays the same as it is now?”

Great question! There is a misconception among Postmillerians that when they contrast the Reformed Amillerian position to their presupposition, it seems as though Amils view Gods elect as very few as opposed to the plentiful elect people in the Postmillerian christianized world. But I am afraid this is a major misconception and misunderstanding coming from our Reformed brothers. To be honest I don’t even have time to get more in detail about this whole Pessimism vs Optimism false dichotomy for more about this I would HIGHLY
recommend Kim Riddlebarger’s article in the Modern Reformation publication magazine entitled Why the “Optimism” vs. “Pessimism” Paradigm Doesn’t Work” .

But I will say this though, we Reformed Amillerians believe and take to heart what God promised Abraham in Gen.15:5 which teaches:

5And he brought him outside and said, Look toward heaven, and number the stars, if you are able to number them. Then he said to him, So shall your offspring be.

Now consider the parable of the wheat and the tares in Matt. 13 in which it teaches that while the sower sows the good seed and the wheat will continue to grow,the evil sower is sowing his own seeds that produces weeds or tares, so in other words while the elect grow and grow as the gospel goes forth so also the weeds (reprobates) grow along side of them “UNTIL” the day of the harvest which is at the end as the passage explains later on in the context. So its not like the human population stops producing and then the gospel goes out and converts all who is left making the reprobates disappear, no, just as the gospel converts the elect so also totally depraved men are born and become wicked along side. This basic fact is totally ignored to enhance a so called optimist or “victorious” view of the gospel.

Therefore we maintain that the elect will continue to grow in number while the reprobate also continues to grow so trying to figure out a percentage of elect from reprobate is in my opinion futile.

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The next few blogs will be my responses to a few questions asked of me by some fellow brothers in the faith and also a couple of objections raised by others. I will attempt to do so in the light of Christian piety and respect, thank you in advance for your time and patience. Also, I will leave out the names of such persons as it is irrelevant to the responses offered. I will allow the person who asked or objected to reveal himself if he or she so desires in responding to the answers. Their statements will be in quotes.

“Brother Rick, i have purposefully kept quiet regarding eschatology recently because of my recent debacle with full preterism. I’ve had to go back to the drawing board on some things, and so i’ve been slow to speak. Also, Dr Talbot has thrown me a curve ball that quite frankly would ruin many an amill AND partial pret postmill arguments; the curve ball being that the Parousia of Christ is durative, not puncticular.”

First, I would like to say that I am grateful to our Lord for bringing you out of such a gross heresy and may God continue to bless you.
At first I wasn’t going to address the C.C. Sabathia curve ball that you said Dr. Talbot threw at you but then I was wondering if referring to Christ parousia as “durative” is really the Postmillennarians gradual entrance of the “golden age” in that Christ has come, he will continue to come through the conquering of the gospel/kingdom and usher in some type of golden age and will finally come physically at the consummation. Just thinking out loud. If indeed this is the case then I am of the opinion that my refutations against Postmillennialism still stands. But if there is no golden age in his eschatology then I don’t really have a problem with referring to the Parousia as “Durative”. Actually sounds extremely similar to the Amillerian position anyways, taking out the golden age part of course.

You continue: “1. I may have missed this, but it seems as though you are mainly arguing against the more historic postmill view that sees the entire 1,000 year period as future. You even call your view “realized millennium” in contrast. How would you argue against many modern postmills who view the 1,000 years as having begun in the first century (some say during Christ’s earthly ministry, some say it started in ad70) and is thus “realized” now?”

Incorrect, I am actually dealing with the modern version of the Postmillennial position that teaches a gradual ushering in of the “golden age” as seen here in my article: “Clearly, N.T does not teach the Post Mill view of a gradual removal of the temporal effects of sin and evil. Nor does it see the victory of the gospel in terms of social, economic and political transformation.” Why I am not Postmillennial paragraph 2

And hereConsequently, the premise of Post Millennialism that Kingdom of God speak of a fleshly kingdom that will witness the gradual amelioration of evil in this age is in my view the real issue at hand………” Paragraph 4

And here: Postmil view teach THREE ages, the present evil age, an intermediate future golden age, and the age to come. I am fully aware that our Postmil brothers will reject the description of their view that it has three ages as they assert that this present age will gradually merge with the “golden age” and claim it is really only two ages in agreement with us Amils but Jesus NOWHERE predicts some glorious future on earth before the end of the world, as the postmil view would have us believe.” Paragraph 7

Therefore, the view I am critiquing is the modern view espoused by great men like Dr. Ken Gentry Jr., Dr. Gregg Strawbridge, Keith Matthison, and Dr. Greg Bahnsen. But in all actuality my main contention is rather against this notion of a “golden age” despite if it is promoted as already in process or promoted as still future as the classic Postmils teach and literal at that.


You continue: “It seems to me then that at the point you would have to somehow prove that during the 1,000 years things get worse, and not better. Where does Scripture say that things get worse? What is your take on the great tribulation…Does it go on for the duration of the current age? Is it wholly future?”

The answer and implications to this two-part question can get pretty lengthy but suffice it to say that, yes I believe that the great tribulation is continually growing worse as apostasy continues to permeate the world which then they will turn their ammunition of hate towards Gods people in the form of politics, ethics, social prejudice etc…..and let us not be surprised if we true Christians will be persecuted physically as Christ was for “no one is above his master” (Luke 6:40). The Bible teaches this tension between the Kingdom now and the kingdom come. We are taught throughout the N.T about this tension, that’s why we need to patiently wait (Rom 8:25). Moreover, Christ’s eschatological victory is what encourages us to press on even though we are hard pressed, because though we share in the suffering of Christ we know we shall also share in his vindication and victory at the consummation (2 Cor 4:7-11; Phil 3:10) and this is the biblical meaning of what it means for the Church to be Victorious.